3C --- the Convertible Cop Car

By MamaJOE on Apr 25, 2022

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The story behind the build

The beginning was a GEPRC Thinking P16 HD DJI I bought.
Ok, it was nice but it suffered from deathly propwash and didn't really meet my taste.
That's why I decided to tear this thing appart and try to make it better.

Choice of components

I wanted to keep the motors and the AIO board, as well as the Vista. Everythin else was open.
I searched for a suitable frame with carbon support, because I found all these plastic frames way to wobbly.
I could not find the matching size, so I took a Beta 85X.
As a VTX-Antenna, I definitively wanted an omni, therefore i choose the lightes LHCP antenna I could find, the BETAFPV AIR.
I liked the canopy of the P16, so I kept it.

Building

I started the build with teh canopy and glued the VTX-antenna into it. My first tought was "looks like a cop car"...
After I mounted the Camera, Vista and antenna, wanted to make the canopy pluggable. A nice side-effect is, that the copter could be converted to an LOS version easily.
Just remove the canopy, add a little carbon board-safer instead and fly LOS ;)
The original P16 was configured with a softserial for the Vista (R1 via LED pad). I found out, that since V1.4 of the board there is a R1 solder pad which makes the softserial superseded.
The motors are the 8000 KV version.
After I broke one canopy, I added a carbon support for the canopys tail. This part is highly prone to break due to the VTX antenna on top.

Flight quality'

1.6x1.6x4
I run very low filters of one single D-term filter with RPM-filtering, one gyro LPF (4k PID-loop) and a Yaw LPF, pushing the master multiplier all way up to 2.0...and it's still not at the edge yet.
In the LOS version it's well powered, with the hover-point around 25 % throttle, with the FPV setup you need almost 50 % throttle to hover.
The copter flies great, agile with minimum propwash and feels almost like a 3".
But when you have to pull-out of a powerloop it's a good idea to calculate some extra meters due to the limited thrust.

2x2.3x3
These props improve the flightperformance compared to the smaller ones. They generate way more thrust but at the expense of agility.
The weight of the 2" props is app. three times that of the 1.6" props and I suppose the motors are a bit overchallenged to accelerate them fast.
But below the line it's an improvement and they also look much better.
The flight time prolonges somewhere around 30 seconds.
With the current tune, I had problems with uncontrolled movements on the yaw axis, but I thing that's a tuning issue and I have to use more filters for this setup.

Data (1.6x1.6x4)

the 2x2.3x3 props add 2 g of weight and app. 30 seconds of flight time

Weight with props: 76 g (FPV) / 49 g (LOS)
AUW with 3S: 119 g (FPV, 450 mAh) / 75 g (LOS, 300 mAh)
LOS Flight time (300 mAh): approx. 3:00 to 5:00
FPV Flight time (450 mAh): approx. 3:30 to 6:00

Photos

Part List

Frame

GEP-TKP16 Frame - GEPRC (3 builds)
Geprc.com
$9.99

Frame

Stiffener Brace of Carbon Fiber for Beta85X Frame (2 PCS)
Betafpv.com
$7.99

Frame

BetaFPV Beta85X Replacement/Spare Brushless Whoop Frame (4 builds)
Racedayquads.com
$4.99

Frame

Quadcopter multirotor stack adaptor 16x16 20x20 25x25 30.5x30.5
Armattanproductions.com
$3.00

Flight Controller

25.5x25.5mm GEPRC GEP-12A-F4 V1.4 F411 F4 Flight Controller AIO OSD BEC Current Sensor & 12A BL_S 2-4S 4In1 ESC for RC Drone FPV (2 builds)
Banggood.com
$47.80

Motors

4 x GEPRC GEP-GR1103 8000kv/10000kv motor - GEPRC (2 builds)
Geprc.com
$39.60

Propellers

GEMFAN Hurricane 2023-3 TRI BLADE PROP 4CW+4CCW (25 builds)
Pyrodrone.com
$3.19

Propellers

HQProp Micro Whoop Prop 1.6X1.6X4 40mm 1mm/1.5mm Shaft 4-blade Propeller For FPV Racing RC Drone (6 builds)
Banggood.com
$2.89

FPV Camera

Caddx Polar Nano Starlight Camera (6 builds)
Getfpv.com
See Site

FPV Transmitter

Caddx Vista Unit for DJI Digital HD FPV (No Camera) (92 builds)
Getfpv.com
See Site

Antenna

TBS Crossfire Micro RX Antenna
Team-blacksheep.com
$3.95

Antenna

BetaFPV Air 5.8GHz Digital VTX Antenna LHCP - 2PCS (3 builds)
Pyrodrone.com
$15.99

Receiver

TBS Crossfire Nano Rx - FPV LONG RANGE DRONE RECEIVER (1499 builds)
Team-blacksheep.com
$24.95

Batteries

300mAh 3S 45C Lipo Battery S-Version (2PCS) (2 builds)
Betafpv.com
$22.99

Batteries

Tattu Batterie LiPo Akku 450mAh 3S1P 75C XT30 kaufen | FPV24.com
Fpv24.com
See Site

Power Distribution

10 Elko Panasonic FR 470uF 16V Kondensator 105°C Low ESR same as FM 856743
Ebay.com
See Site

Radio

Boxer EdgeTX Rotor Riot Edition Radio Controller - ELRS (4 builds)
Rotorriot.com
$259.00

Radio

21700 5000mAh Battery for TX16S
Radiomasterrc.com
See Site

Goggles

DJI Goggles 2 - Ultra Low Latency 1080p/100FPS 4K/60FPS Digital HD FPV (22 builds)
Pyrodrone.com
$449.00

Hardware

5x Battery Straps V3 140x10 Whoop
N-factory.de
See Site

Hardware

Taste Kopf M2 Titan schrauben M2x3 M2x4 M2x5 M2x6 M2x7 M2x8 M2x10 M2x12 M2x14 M2x16 M2x18 M2x20 Hex Fahrer Ti GR2 QCTI Schraube (5 builds)
De.aliexpress.com
$2.64

Misc Parts

5 PCS Super Loud 5V Active Alarm Buzzer Beeper Tracker 9*5.5mm for RC MultiRotor FPV Racing Drone (15 builds)
Banggood.com
$6.99

Misc Parts

FETtec Tiny LED Stick (2 Stück) (3 builds)
Fettec.net
$4.99

Battery Charger

2 x Power Genius SAFE Parallel board XT30 and XT60 2S to 6S with Fuse Protection (3 builds)
Pyrodrone.com
$19.98

Battery Charger

3 x BAT-Safe LiPo Tresor sicheres Laden und Aufbewahren der Akkus
Amazon.de
See Site

Battery Charger

ISDT PC-4860 Lipo Ladegerät Parallel Ladestation Unterstützung 4 Packs von 1-8S XT60 RC LiPo Akku
Amazon.de
See Site

Battery Charger

HGLRC Thor Lipo Battery Balance Charger Board Pro 40A XT60 XT30 Plug 2-6S Integrated with Lipo Discharger for IMAX B6 ISDT Q6 Na (2 builds)
Hglrc.com
$29.99

Battery Charger

Q6 Nano Lipo Ladegerät, DC 200W Smart tragbares digitales Ladegerät fü
Isdtshop.com
$29.99

Battery Charger

2 x Amacoam 2 Stück Lipo Batterie Sicherer Beutel Feuerfeste Explosionsschutz Lipo Battery Guard Tasche Sack Gebühren Schutz Tasch
Amazon.de
See Site

Battery Charger

K2 Air Bluetooth Fernbedienung LIPO Ladegerät, AC/DC 200W/500WX2 20A S
Isdtshop.com
$122.99

Soldering Iron

Tilswall Soldering Station, 65W Solder Station Welding Iron with Smart Temperature Control (392°F-896°F), Extra 5pcs Sol (2 builds)
Amazon.de
See Site

Backpack

Tarion Pro PB-01 Professional Camera Backpack
Tarion.eu
$149.99

Accessories

ETHIX Heated Deluxe Lipo Bag V2
Team-blacksheep.com
$64.95

Accessories

Kesser® Campingstuhl faltbar klappbar tragbar Angel Stuhl Camping Stuhl Faltstuhl bis 120 kg Strandstuhl Angelstuhl Klapphocker
Amazon.de
See Site

Accessories

LINGHUANG Avata Tragbar Aufbewahrungstasche für DJI Avata für DJI Goggles 2 für Motion Controller, Tragetasche Schutzhülle f
Amazon.de
See Site

Accessories

Onseuk Kompatibel mit DJI AVATA Goggles 2 Foam Pad Sponge Comfortable Eye Mask Drone Goggles Zubehör (Grau+Schutzhülle)
Amazon.de
See Site

Misc Supplies

Bier – Wikipedia
De.wikipedia.org
See Site
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Discussion

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Mr_Stripes   Apr 25, 2022  
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Throw some gemfan 2023 props on there to get some better flight time and punch.

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MamaJOE   Apr 26, 2022 

I tested the 2023 props an you was right ;) - see updated description

Mr_Stripes   Apr 26, 2022 

If it feels overpropped try some 2015 biblades. I have some on a quad with 0802 motors for endurance. Still has a good bit of pop.

MamaJOE   Apr 26, 2022 
1

I doesn't really feel overpropped, just not tuned. But biblades could be worth a try anyway...

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