Custom frame. Dyed using Rit dye for synthetics. Can be found at most craft stores. What do you mean, "which motor best for hard turn?" Thanks for looking!

Got it.

What I mean, good/stable in cornering.

Thanks for reply. Appreciate it so much.

I've found the 0802's are pretty "stable" in cornerning regardless of kv. Do you mean no wash like, the type of wash you get when using high kv 0603 and bi-blade props? 0802x16K with eachine quads are pretty nice for technical courses, 0802x19K with HQProps are pretty responsive and snappy but, you sacrifice a bit of trust. Hope this answers your question.

After read your page and micro motor review by

Probably next week I got time to assemble all the parts.

Thanks for all the info. It is really helps me since I am the only one in my state flying FPV Race Quad. Friends from internet help me a lot.

Tqvm.

Have a nice day bro.

That guy is a local and a buddy of mine. My updated guide might be lighter than his build. Wait until you see my video. Should have time to post soon!

Because of your pages and your friend video, make me easy to choose parts.

Yes, please make a video. Love to watch. :D

Thank you for the kind words! Kados has some good ones, Progressive has the most robust I've seen but spendy. If you're going to build, I definitely recommend 0802's. Have so much updat, little time to share and post.

Did you make the connectors you have on this one? I just haven't found any with wire larger than 24 gauge. Any links would really be appreciated. Would you go for the 16k or 19k 0802? Thanks again and keep posting more awesome builds!

Going to find some time to post a separte build+vids of the updated formula I've been flying for a while, stay tunned. Links to connectors: https://www.progressiverc.com/jst-ph-pigtail.html https://kadosmultirotors.com/products/power-whoop-2-0ph-pigtail-connector

Thank you and ask as many as you like.
This is the closest thing to a "real" or OG Tiny Whoop you're going to get. After trying everything that's out and still coming out, for indoors, a light weight high kv build such as this is still my favorite as it has a perfect balance of power, size, weight, and speed to have full sized quad level of fun without the potential risk of damaging things and hurting people.

In this hobby, brushless will always last longer than brushed by design. I average over 12 hours plus, depending on weight of build and flight style, before noticing any performance drops. That's like three times more than brushed as I usually notice performance dips around 4 hours of hard flying. Back then, replacing 06xx would've been a bit more costly than brushed, but the hobby is catching up. Also, don't expect brushed motors rated higher than 19,000kv to have a long run.

As far as props, no need to drill as there are now plenty of 31mm props with different hole sizes on the market. Some 06xx motors offer 0.8 or 1.0 shaft sizes such as  the Happymodel motors which I highly recommend.

Thanks for your answer. So I'll ask more !

You said 12 hours before performance drops so brushlesses do wear out also ? What about replacing the bearing as it seems to be possible on last edition from happymodel. Then it should last as long as you don't bent the shaft by a crash, or I missed something ?

About Kvs, I was planning to go rather for 16000kv, thinking it would be enought to whoop in a house with increased flight time. And also not having a too sensitive throttle. I'm using now both stock bwoop 716 brushed and 19000Kv upgrades and I would be happy with similar behavior from a brushless version. Is there an equivalence between 19000kv brushless and brushed ? I thought brushless would be faster...

And about shaft, I was more attracted by the 1mm shaft that I suposed more durable. What do you think ?

And just because I'm curious, do you fly always brushless, even at whoop flavor, or there are some case where you rather go brushed ??

Yes it does. I wouldn't worry about it, never had to repalce a bearing or have a shaft bend. Brushless is more hobby grade and brushed toy grade.
I used to carry a 7x16 brushed 65mm at race events for low speed technial courses but, have really flown brush much since the growth of 06xx brushless "Whoops". The best advice I can give is to try out all the possible combinations and see which you like. Not everyone has the same flying style or enviornment.

Thanks again for your answers !
Still there is something I don't understand : you said you never had to replace a bearing or had a shaft bend. Then I don't get why would you have to change theses motors after some time... ?
Yes I'm planning to give it a try but I would like to learn a bit from other's experience about it before going into some direction.

Sorry for the late response, haven't logged on since summer. I use GNB 250, 260, or the new Beta 300mah off Amazon.

I snipped the two mount points from a frame that has the pegs, preferably 65S or Inductrix Pro, then snipped the portion that the screws thread onto and widened the hole as shown in the second to the last photo. Let me know if you need more pics.

Hey thanks for the reply, I was able to to do the trick for the extra pegs for the canopy.

However, now I get to 21.5 grams without battery. How did you manage 19 grams? Did you trim some extra weight or do anything to achieve that? Is that 19grams with the 3d printed holder? If so I gotta be doing something wrong. I'm using the exact same parts as you are.

Oh also, how did you get turtle mode working? I've got it on a switch and every time I use it , it doesn't seem to have enough power to flip over, did you have to do some special settings? I'm running reversed props as well, this hasn't happened with my other quads.

It's almost 20 grams, about 19.8 without 3D printed battery holder. Are you sure you're using the same exact parts? Not running reversed props, just regular BF orientation and don't have anything special setup other than the norm setup for turtle mode.

Thank you!

Thank you!

After many hard crashes that would've broken 07xx motors, quite wonderfully! Very surpised and very impressed. I've even broke another brand 06xx without the welded shafts within a week. This quad doesn't look as beautiful as the pics anymore hahahaha.

Glad to hear! I ordered the Beta65 Pro 1s but some people have reported the motors only lasted a few flights before breaking. I'm considering picking up a set of these as replacements.

Which motors? Beta's and Boldclash old 07xx didn't have the welded shafts/bushings. I received the Boldclash 0603's and waiting for a few more parts to complete a new build. Stay tuned!

Beta's new 0603 16000kv. Website claims they're welded as well.

P.S. Any footage yet?

And people already broke them? Yes today or tomorrow for sure!

Apparently. He didn't even get to fly it FPV before it broke. =(

Who is he? Dang!

For racing, anything smaller than 260 and for cruising, GNB 550's.

Aesthetics and I like to be able to get under the hood easily. I used to screw these canopies on back in my E010/S days as, the FC was mounted higher on those old frames.

Rit Dye tends to add more vibrant colors over light colors - if you're starting with white, off-white, tan, or something you can get pretty true colors - if it's a different color, you'll get some mixing - that said, if you're already somewhat close you can get a nice color depending what you're after (e.g. if you want green, starting off with Yellow tends to work find, it's just a bit brighter than what you want, whereas a bright blue would come out a bit more aqua colored).

Came with the Cam/vTX combo from Tinywhoop.com, see link in build desc. You can also buy them separately or print on your own.

Take a look at Boldclash, they just released their 0603's which look exactly like BFPV, etc. for around 15 dollars cheaper. I am sure they're built in the same factory as well.

https://www.tinywhoop.com/collections/canopies

Thank you for the kind words and happy Lunar to you as well! I have a small place and it's pretty tame/enjoyable with a heavier battery like GNB 450mah. 260 and below is too fast for my flying level, even at 1S!

Yes, they are the 16,000kv. For some reason the site won't let me link the individual motor and version.