MicroV

By DannerD3H on Apr 06, 2020

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PROJECT IS STILL IN ONGOING DESIGN
A prototype have been build and test flights are in progress. I will update this post as the project moves along.


Changelog:
April 06 2020:
Build created and initial design presented

April 08 2020:
Big design change - Decided that I wanted to make room for the Caddx Vista in case I ever buy HD. This is done by making room for two 20x20 stacks next to each other (it also has 16.5x16.5 holes). And you can aslo center mount a 20x20 or 16.5x16.5 for a clean simple build.
The new design is also 5 mm lower -> better CG

April 23 2020:
Time Flies..
Rather big update once again.
Dropped stac height to 17 mm (15 mm standoff plus 2 mm spacer and the tail mount).
Moved the rear arm assembly under the top plate for a cleaner looking frame.
Redesigned the cam guard for a cooler design and incorporated T-style antenna. The new cam guard should position the drone in a neutral angle on a flat surface (no forward motion from takeoff)
Redesigned Motor bumpers on arms
Ditched the idea of sub 250g. The rules in DK are no different for a powerfull 250g drone anyway.. use a smaller bat if you want it below 250g.
I think the design is close to final now

June 23 2020:
Time Flies.. again...
I did a fast 3D print and hit the button!
Carbon parts recieved and frame assembled
Still missing some components due to everything being out of stock!

July 03 2020:
IT IS ALIVE!!!!
First prototype assembled and LOS test hover succesfull.
It flies supprisingly well on BF4.2 stock PIDs with RPM filtering. However at min throttle it wobbles a bit on pitch. Will do a little bit of PID tuning and FPV flight as soon as possible. I think it will fly great once tuned!
However, it is a bit heavy.. This may be due to the component choices, but the frame alone is also heavy for a 3" freestyle drone. It weighs 45g with aluminum bolts.
There will be a revision of the frame before I release it, it has to lose some weight and there need to be a liiiitle bit more room for electronics, it was a really tight build and there is no way you can squeeze a battery driven buzzer in there (which i normaly always use because i fly in high grass).


MicroV - Prototype

I always loved the more unique types of multirotors especially V-Tails! I never tried flying one thuogh..
Also i do not have much space where I live so micros and whoops are more my kind of thing.. Finding a modern 2-3in V-tail frame is not easy.. V-tails also seem like a dying breed..

BUT I do not take no for an answer!

So this will be my first custom frame!! :D
Some design goals:
-A powerfull 3" V-Tail build for reckless flying.
-Keep COG as close to propeller plane as possible.
-Keep weight destribution as compact as possible
-No structural parts made of 3D print!!!
-Prop free view
-Micro size cameras
-Room for Caddx Vista

Photos

Part List

Flight Controller

iFlight Succex-D Mini F7 TwinG & 40A 32Bit 4in1 ESC 20x20 Stack/Combo for DJI (16 builds)
Racedayquads.com
$76.99

Motors

4 x Iflight Moteur XING 1507 - 4200Kv (5 builds)
Drone-fpv-racer.com
$79.60

Propellers

HQ Prop 3x4x3 V1S Tri-Blade 3" Prop 4 Pack - Choose Your Color (35 builds)
Racedayquads.com
$2.99

FPV Camera

RunCam Micro Eagle 1/1.8" CMOS 800TVL Global WDR 16:9/4:3 Switchable FPV Camera for RC Drone (301 builds)
Banggood.com
$46.11

FPV Transmitter

Rush FPV Tank Mini 25-800mW 20x20 VTX - MMCX (50 builds)
Racedayquads.com
$37.99

Antenna

VAS 5.8GHz Victory Stubby Antenna (SMA) (RHCP)
Hobbyrc.co.uk
$25.20

Receiver

FrSky R9 Mini ACCESS 4/16CH 900MHz Long Range Telemetry Receiver with Redundancy Function S.Port Enabled (4 builds)
Banggood.com
$20.99

Batteries

GNB 650 mAh 4S 14.8V 80C/160C XT30 (13 builds)
Airbladeuav.com
$16.49

Radio

FrSky Taranis X-Lite Pro ACCESS 2.4GHz Radio Controller (Deep Sea Blue) (14 builds)
Getfpv.com
$199.99

Goggles

Fatshark Dominator V2 FPV Goggles Video Glasses 600x480 VGA (3 builds)
Banggood.com
$299.99

HD Camera

Gopro Hero 3 Black Edition with accessories (2 builds)
Ebay.com
$39.99

Hardware

2 x Suleve™ M3AH6 10Pcs M3×8mm Hex Socket Screws Round Head Cap Screws 7075 Aluminum Alloy (6 builds)
Banggood.com
See Site

Hardware

Suleve™ M3AR2 M3 Aluminum Alloy Standoff Studs 8-35mm Black Round PCB Board Spacers Standoffs 10pcs (5 builds)
Banggood.com
See Site

Misc Parts

F4 V5PRO Flight Controller Spare Part MMCX to SMA / RP-SMA Antenna Pigtail Cable 10cm for RC Drone FPV Racing (4 builds)
Banggood.com
$2.34

Video Receiver

Furious True-D Diversity Receiver Module 5.8GHz System V3 Firmware 3.9 (24 builds)
Getfpv.com
$62.99

Radio Module

Frsky R9M Lite Pro 900MHz Transmitter Module Up to 1W RF Power Compatible FrSky ACCESS Protocol for Taranis X-Lite Pro S and X9 (10 builds)
Banggood.com
$65.99
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1Smug_Bastard   Apr 06, 2020  

So whats the advantage here compaired to a normal quad?

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1Smug_Bastard   Apr 07, 2020 
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You should build a 3" Whirlygig with 1103-10000kv motors @ 2S. Its performance will surprise you and definetly would be something unique to add to your collection.

This week i will start builing an inverted 3" Whirlygig with 1104-4500kv motors @ 4S. I had made one previously but sold it shortly after performing the base tune. (Its on Rotorbuilds) The little copter flew like a bat outa hell, even with its motor scaling set to 50%.

DannerD3H   Apr 07, 2020 
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Oh yes i saw the video of that one! Or was it the normal one?
But I sure will get me a micro tricopter as well Once the V-Tail is flying!
I really like yours!

1Smug_Bastard   Apr 07, 2020 

Most of the videos are of the 2S Whirlygigs. Their very light and pretty simple to build as the Servo can directly connect to the Lipo. (16v 100 uf capacitor added in-line for filtering) Hence with the direct-connect, it removed the need for the secondary 7.4V BEC's used on the 4S builds.

I beleive theres still a video of the 4S on YouTube from last year. Though to be honnest, I was a bit disapointed with the 4S results. Simply put, the 1st 4S had a crappy camera that I wanted to step away from but flew like a missle @ 30% motor scaling. (Hard to control at that speed) The 2nd 4S with Emax 1106 motors (6-7 grams each) was overly heavy and thus tended to over-draw the battery when taken above 50% throttle. The 3rd build (Sold this one) with Emax 1108 motors (7-8 grams each) had a similar issue around 60-70% throttle but is much lighter overall. Despite this, all the builds had an ungodly TWR for such little things. (7 or 8:1 TWR) Saying this made tuning quite a challenge would be an underestatement. (They litterally scream at higher throttle settings)

V1 4S Whirlygig: https://rotorbuilds.com/build/18331
V2 4S Whirlygig: https://rotorbuilds.com/build/18949
V3 4S Whirlygig: https://rotorbuilds.com/build/20766

With the upcomming build, I'm hoping that the Xing 1104 motors will do the trick this time around as they have a much lower current draw and come in at 4-5 grams each. Its possible that change from the Emax mini 3" props to 2-bladed 3025's would help as well. Those 3025's are what I currently use on the 2S builds but I fear that using them with the 4S would cause the props tp flex horribly at full throttle.

Sasquads   Apr 06, 2020  

Dude
That's such a cool idea
I build a big one
https://rotorbuilds.com/build/11629
flew awesome, yaw authority is superb, watch this


and do notice what he says about the rear motor angle
if you go for 45 degrees, it does not fly that well
30 - 35 degree angle for rear motors is ideal, just take it into consideration
I mean, the guy (simplecopter) experimented
Big thumbs up and I definetily want one of the frames
I'll pimp it like I always do, check my profile

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DannerD3H   Apr 06, 2020 

Thanks! :D
The plan is that it will be available for purchase/selfcut Once finished :D

Saw that video actually, thats why my motors are tilted 31 degrees xD

Damn you have a lot of copters! :O
Any golden tips on edge painting carbon frames like almost All yours? :D

Sasquads   Apr 06, 2020 
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cool 31 degrees allready, you are not kidding
I've been waiting for this
I used ordinary spray paint and taped the top and bottom of the frame
but started using markers, Molotow has cool colors and then spray farnish over it, so it sticks

DannerD3H   Apr 07, 2020 

No not at all :D
Hopefully can get the parts and 3D print a frame prototype next month. Then revise the frame and order it!

Thanks for the tips :)

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